"vicariousILive" (vicariousILive)
07/10/2014 at 14:13 • Filed to: Joblopnik
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"vicariousILive" (vicariousILive)
07/10/2014 at 14:13 • Filed to: Joblopnik | 1
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I got an offer from a reputable defense contractor. The salary was lower than I expected. So I decided to counter. What is your experience with making a counter offer?
505Turbeaux
> vicariousILive
07/10/2014 at 14:15 |
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first offer is usually a throwaway at big corporation. Just dont shoot back too high or they will pass.
HammerheadFistpunch
> vicariousILive
07/10/2014 at 14:15 |
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new job? did they seek you out? still in Utah?
themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
> vicariousILive
07/10/2014 at 14:16 |
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I tried at my job. My advice to you - do NOT agree to a 6-month review. They set me up to fail by withholding support and used that as justification for a lack of a raise. So I ended up stuck at their lowball offer.
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vicariousILive
> HammerheadFistpunch
07/10/2014 at 14:20 |
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still in Utah. No move required. I still applied but I'm getting promoted so I expected more of a jump. Maybe I just get paid too much where I'm at.
Juan Tawn
> vicariousILive
07/10/2014 at 14:24 |
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If they do not increase their offer, I recommend not taking the position if you can afford not to. A decision not to increase the offer likley means one of the following: 1. They do not care about your opinion of your worth and skillset; 2. they know you need the job and will likely accept their below fair offer; 3. or both.
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Juan Tawn
> themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
07/10/2014 at 14:26 |
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This sounds exactly like what happened to me when I was younger and more naïve. So, I could not agree more - if there is a low offer and they say "how about considering a raise after a six month review?" Consider other options.
Alternatively, a high offer with a six month review can be a good thing.
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vicariousILive
> 505Turbeaux
07/10/2014 at 14:26 |
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the offer was 1.5% more than I currently make as a level 2 engineer. The offer is a level 3 engineer so I expected the offer to be more of a jump. I showed salary data in my area and I went back with 10% more than my current salary. With some good explaining and reasoning I might add.
I was speaking with the recruiter so she has to take it back to program management. Soni won't hear back for a couple days
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505Turbeaux
> vicariousILive
07/10/2014 at 14:27 |
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good luck, sounds like you made the right move
Steve Zissou
> vicariousILive
07/10/2014 at 14:34 |
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A year and a half ago I got a new job offer. It was ~13% more than what I was paid at the time, with a (paid) move to a location with a lower cost of living. I asked for ~7% more than what that offer was, which they gave me. Now I wish I had asked for more...
If they're a big enough company, and your reasoning is sound, I think a counter offer is not unexpected or looked down upon. (Unless you're really really looking to get out of your current job, because I guess there's a small chance they could just say no and walk away).
Sn210
> vicariousILive
07/10/2014 at 14:41 |
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It didn't go well for me. I asked for a $1000 more than what they offered and was immediately shut down. I then immediately accepted the first offer; I was a temp trying to get a permanent position. Accepting this job meant I could put an offer on a house and book my wedding, so I didn't have much bargaining power
Stupidru
> vicariousILive
07/10/2014 at 15:01 |
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While applying for my first job out of college, one company offered me a certain number. I said I was worth at least $5k more. They said "ok" and offered me that. I ended up being a dick about the whole thing and took a different job for less money because I felt I could gain more experience working with a department of engineers instead of one other engineer.
MIATAAAA
> vicariousILive
07/10/2014 at 15:12 |
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Always negotiate. Always.
N51fanatic
> vicariousILive
07/10/2014 at 15:39 |
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Engineer here....
Unless they are meeting a specific salary that you specified when interviewing, you ALWAYS COUNTER.
Getting raises is tough, you need to get as much upfront as you can. So unless you said, I need 100k during the interview, if they offer anything less than that 100k you ALWAYS COUNTER.
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N51fanatic
> vicariousILive
07/10/2014 at 15:41 |
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1.5% more? GTFOH, tell them to pound sand. You should never leave a position you don't have to (i.e. you're not getting fired or laid off) for less than 10-15%
ArmadaExpress drives a turbo outback
> vicariousILive
07/10/2014 at 16:18 |
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That was a very reasonable counter offer, especially considering it's a level above your current position. They likely low-balled you because they knew it was more than you were making at the previous position. Honestly, unless you feel you need to leave your current position, I'd consider not taking the offer if it's only 1.5%. Granted there is a lot more to consider than just pay increase. There are other benefits, better experiences, opportunity to grow with the company, and so on. But +1.5% seems way too low.
Reigntastic
> vicariousILive
07/10/2014 at 16:42 |
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I've had successful counter offers, you just have to be reasonable and provide decent justification. Median salaries for other people with your title, cost of living changes, relocation, etc. Since it's UT to UT, they aren't all relevant, but your 10% request is really reasonable.